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		<title>By: t31os</title>
		<link>http://xfep.com/wordpress/wordpress-gpl-and-theme-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-3676</link>
		<dc:creator>t31os</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on Lisa. Theme developers are relying on WP.org to generate traffic for their business, that option is now removed, and people are chucking toys out the pram.

The decision was a good one. I think it very sad to see developers blame their failed business models onto Matt because they can no longer get free traffic to their sites...

If you create a product of value, you will get business. Quality speaks for itself... The market will dictate the value, whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Lisa. Theme developers are relying on WP.org to generate traffic for their business, that option is now removed, and people are chucking toys out the pram.</p>
<p>The decision was a good one. I think it very sad to see developers blame their failed business models onto Matt because they can no longer get free traffic to their sites&#8230;</p>
<p>If you create a product of value, you will get business. Quality speaks for itself&#8230; The market will dictate the value, whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://xfep.com/wordpress/wordpress-gpl-and-theme-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-3579</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I appreciate that theme developers want to (and should) make money from their themes, WP.org is not the place to do it. Expecting to exploit a community site dedicated to GPL software is not a good marketing strategy, and neither is demanding that the core of that software include a method to build your business. 

If folks want to pimp their for-pay themes, they should purchase ad space, or find another way to lead customers to their sites---not expect WP.org to build their businesses for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I appreciate that theme developers want to (and should) make money from their themes, WP.org is not the place to do it. Expecting to exploit a community site dedicated to GPL software is not a good marketing strategy, and neither is demanding that the core of that software include a method to build your business. </p>
<p>If folks want to pimp their for-pay themes, they should purchase ad space, or find another way to lead customers to their sites&#8212;not expect WP.org to build their businesses for them.</p>
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		<title>By: WordPress Pulls the Plug on Premium Themes &#8212; WPCandy &#8212; WordPress Themes, Plugins, Tips, and Tricks</title>
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		<dc:creator>WordPress Pulls the Plug on Premium Themes &#8212; WPCandy &#8212; WordPress Themes, Plugins, Tips, and Tricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Inquisitr wasn&#8217;t the only one getting unhappy about this: some others like David Peralty (WordPress’ “GPL” and Theme Mess) and that girl again (&#8221;here we go again&#8220;) weighed in their opinion as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Inquisitr wasn&#8217;t the only one getting unhappy about this: some others like David Peralty (WordPress’ “GPL” and Theme Mess) and that girl again (&#8221;here we go again&#8220;) weighed in their opinion as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JamieO</title>
		<link>http://xfep.com/wordpress/wordpress-gpl-and-theme-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-3552</link>
		<dc:creator>JamieO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the first times that I&#039;ve been in complete disagreement with you on a topic David. I think that the approach Matt has taken is quite consistent with their general philosophy towards open source. Feel free to visit my blog to read my fully articulated argument / response: &lt;a href=&quot;http://idealienstudios.com/blog/wordpress/themes/commited-to-open-source/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wordpress: Committed to open source&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the first times that I&#8217;ve been in complete disagreement with you on a topic David. I think that the approach Matt has taken is quite consistent with their general philosophy towards open source. Feel free to visit my blog to read my fully articulated argument / response: <a href="http://idealienstudios.com/blog/wordpress/themes/commited-to-open-source/" rel="nofollow">Wordpress: Committed to open source</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Peralty</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Peralty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed - I saw that, and I must say, I am excited. Not the platform I would have picked, but I would laugh my butt off if MT became the next #1 blogging platform, simply because WordPress dropped the ball in helping companies monetize their work surrounding the platform. Kudos to SixApart for their smart move, and Cory as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed &#8211; I saw that, and I must say, I am excited. Not the platform I would have picked, but I would laugh my butt off if MT became the next #1 blogging platform, simply because WordPress dropped the ball in helping companies monetize their work surrounding the platform. Kudos to SixApart for their smart move, and Cory as well!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Sutherland</title>
		<link>http://xfep.com/wordpress/wordpress-gpl-and-theme-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-3549</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shift to another platform may already be taking place by some premium designers. Cory Miller, who runs iThemes has begun offering MT themes. Miller said Anil Dash of Six Apart came to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shift to another platform may already be taking place by some premium designers. Cory Miller, who runs iThemes has begun offering MT themes. Miller said Anil Dash of Six Apart came to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Premium WordPress Themes and the GPL Discussions &#8212; WP-Premiums</title>
		<link>http://xfep.com/wordpress/wordpress-gpl-and-theme-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-3539</link>
		<dc:creator>Premium WordPress Themes and the GPL Discussions &#8212; WP-Premiums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] XFEP: WordPress’ “GPL” and Theme Mess [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s the point of community - WP FUN</title>
		<link>http://xfep.com/wordpress/wordpress-gpl-and-theme-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-3538</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s the point of community - WP FUN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hah about themes and GPL and community is still ongoing. I&#8217;ve been having a discussion about charging for WordPress themes over at XFEP, but I thought I should explain my point of view. So here it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hah about themes and GPL and community is still ongoing. I&#8217;ve been having a discussion about charging for WordPress themes over at XFEP, but I thought I should explain my point of view. So here it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday..oops Link Love Series No 7</title>
		<link>http://xfep.com/wordpress/wordpress-gpl-and-theme-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-3536</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday..oops Link Love Series No 7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] GPL Themes removed from Wordpress.org Extend Area. Read some of the reports about it. Unless Matt himself clears the controversies officially, it seems to be the beginning of a never [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Peralty</title>
		<link>http://xfep.com/wordpress/wordpress-gpl-and-theme-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-3533</link>
		<dc:creator>David Peralty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, I get what you are saying but I think that the community should decide. 

Taking your scenario, my first thought is &quot;so what!?&quot; Let&#039;s say thousands of themes are on WordPress.org&#039;s theme repository, and only a few hundred are any good. That is where ratings, download numbers, tags and other search criteria help filter the crud from what you are looking for.

What if I enjoy the design of a decorative theme? Also, what is a &quot;limited functionality version?&quot; If I can use it as a fully functional WordPress theme, then it isn&#039;t really limited.

Also, these businesses have to spend time, money and resources creating and managing their themes, and I believe they deserve something for their time. If they want to have you upgrade to a version that has an options panel to more easily control the design, then it is your choice as a consumer to decide if those features are worth the money or not.

Brian Gardner&#039;s business model only works because he was able to build a huge brand for himself, and how did he do that? Selling themes! You can&#039;t tell me that he didn&#039;t make some money that was then set aside to help market his current Revolution 2 themes. 

Also, what percentage of his buyers are buying support packages? I bet it hovers around one percent of the total people downloading and using Revolution 2. 

Part of the allure of premium themes is that not everyone will have the same theme as you because of the cost acts as a barrier to entry, meaning that you&#039;ll have a &quot;more unique&quot; theme on your blog than if you had chosen a free theme.

Thesis is one of the best themes I have ever used, and it was $165 for me to buy the developers license. It will never be part of the WordPress.org theme repository, meaning that I will not get theme update notifications from within WordPress, unless he builds it into the theme package himself like Tarski ended up doing.

Theme developers and plugin developers only believe in open source when they can make a business from it. Otherwise, why waste the time creating advanced themes and plugins? I think without the capitalism side of this whole thing, we would never see the technically advanced themes we have today. I think that Revolution 2 wouldn&#039;t have happened without Revolution. 

Free software, and open source software aren&#039;t the same thing. People have to stop comparing the two. Also, I hate paying for software. I will always take the free version if it is even 90% as good as the paid version. So it isn&#039;t like I want to see every theme cost money. I just believe that Automattic is taking steps that the community at large would not. 

Also, your statement about the type of work that companies release for free into the repository is generally false. Companies will want to put their best foot forward and get tens of thousands of people to download an amazing theme, in order to be able to up sell to them later.

Lastly, I think that IF the only way amazingly talented design companies are going to release beautiful and feature filled themes is to have some way of monetizing their other works, then Automattic should be supporting their endeavours rather than trying to shut them down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I get what you are saying but I think that the community should decide. </p>
<p>Taking your scenario, my first thought is &#8220;so what!?&#8221; Let&#8217;s say thousands of themes are on WordPress.org&#8217;s theme repository, and only a few hundred are any good. That is where ratings, download numbers, tags and other search criteria help filter the crud from what you are looking for.</p>
<p>What if I enjoy the design of a decorative theme? Also, what is a &#8220;limited functionality version?&#8221; If I can use it as a fully functional WordPress theme, then it isn&#8217;t really limited.</p>
<p>Also, these businesses have to spend time, money and resources creating and managing their themes, and I believe they deserve something for their time. If they want to have you upgrade to a version that has an options panel to more easily control the design, then it is your choice as a consumer to decide if those features are worth the money or not.</p>
<p>Brian Gardner&#8217;s business model only works because he was able to build a huge brand for himself, and how did he do that? Selling themes! You can&#8217;t tell me that he didn&#8217;t make some money that was then set aside to help market his current Revolution 2 themes. </p>
<p>Also, what percentage of his buyers are buying support packages? I bet it hovers around one percent of the total people downloading and using Revolution 2. </p>
<p>Part of the allure of premium themes is that not everyone will have the same theme as you because of the cost acts as a barrier to entry, meaning that you&#8217;ll have a &#8220;more unique&#8221; theme on your blog than if you had chosen a free theme.</p>
<p>Thesis is one of the best themes I have ever used, and it was $165 for me to buy the developers license. It will never be part of the WordPress.org theme repository, meaning that I will not get theme update notifications from within WordPress, unless he builds it into the theme package himself like Tarski ended up doing.</p>
<p>Theme developers and plugin developers only believe in open source when they can make a business from it. Otherwise, why waste the time creating advanced themes and plugins? I think without the capitalism side of this whole thing, we would never see the technically advanced themes we have today. I think that Revolution 2 wouldn&#8217;t have happened without Revolution. </p>
<p>Free software, and open source software aren&#8217;t the same thing. People have to stop comparing the two. Also, I hate paying for software. I will always take the free version if it is even 90% as good as the paid version. So it isn&#8217;t like I want to see every theme cost money. I just believe that Automattic is taking steps that the community at large would not. </p>
<p>Also, your statement about the type of work that companies release for free into the repository is generally false. Companies will want to put their best foot forward and get tens of thousands of people to download an amazing theme, in order to be able to up sell to them later.</p>
<p>Lastly, I think that IF the only way amazingly talented design companies are going to release beautiful and feature filled themes is to have some way of monetizing their other works, then Automattic should be supporting their endeavours rather than trying to shut them down.</p>
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